Grays Harbor Designs

Bezo, one class you forgot, and which actually did have the double row of casemates, was the Japanese Tsukuba Class, the class I sorta based my Artemis off.

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Fair enough. I did forget that class. However, the Tsukubas were not particularly successful. If you study photos of the ships, you'll notice the very low command of her 6"- guns. Also, it should be noted that it was only the positions fore and aft that received double casemates, not the entire battery. And, most of the time the lower casemate positions were left empty, with the casemate doors shut. (Though they probably leaked profusely). - Again, I would reiterate that if you absolutely need double-storied secondary batteries - and I'm not opposed to them - you need to do the following things: lengthen your ship some 15 meters and add a weather deck to bring the lowermost broadside positions up. Then it will become far more reasonable to have them!

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Reasonable. I believe my primary motivation for this class is to be my navy's prime example of "what not to do in future ACR's", as in, this sounds like a good idea on paper but holy crap why did we build this??

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Hahaha! I can buy that! Good save mate!

Updated Orion Class, with a few modifications by Bezo

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Nice, but I can't help but notice that you've lost your propellers in the confusion.

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Source Materiel is always welcome.

We're manly men in the GHRN, we use oars! We don't need no stinking propellers.

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The sailors got tired and threatened to mutiny, so props have been re-added and the correct image edited in.

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With the data you gave I tried to sim her, having to totally guess at armor. She works but is a poor seaboat with a _very_ high recoil factor...

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Orion, Gray's Harbor Armored Cruiser laid down 1914

Displacement:
10,198 t light; 10,752 t standard; 11,885 t normal; 12,792 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
500.00 ft / 500.00 ft x 58.00 ft x 22.00 ft (normal load)
152.40 m / 152.40 m x 17.68 m x 6.71 m

Armament:
4 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1914 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
10 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1914 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
8 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1914 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side ends, evenly spread
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
Weight of broadside 5,328 lbs / 2,417 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 325.00 ft / 99.06 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: 3.00" / 76 mm 100.00 ft / 30.48 m 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
75.00 ft / 22.86 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 7.00" / 178 mm 8.00" / 203 mm
2nd: 5.00" / 127 mm - -
4th: 3.00" / 76 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 47,300 shp / 35,286 Kw = 26.00 kts
Range 9,500nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,040 tons

Complement:
568 - 739

Cost:
£1.491 million / $5.964 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 666 tons, 5.6 %
Armour: 2,276 tons, 19.1 %
- Belts: 828 tons, 7.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 968 tons, 8.1 %
- Armour Deck: 412 tons, 3.5 %
- Conning Tower: 67 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 1,822 tons, 15.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,284 tons, 44.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,687 tons, 14.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
14,584 lbs / 6,615 Kg = 16.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 13.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 33 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.93
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.77

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.652
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.62 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 28
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -4.00 ft / -1.22 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Stern: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Average freeboard: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.3 %
Waterplane Area: 22,256 Square feet or 2,068 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 147 lbs/sq ft or 717 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.13
- Longitudinal: 2.34
- Overall: 1.21
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

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