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Mitchell van Os
Post subject: Re: Kriegsmarine 1946, second approachPosted: September 27th, 2010, 2:35 pm
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I thought i had somewhere a more updated version. But i cant find it :P
Thanks Mitch, I'll be working on it. How can you lose your ships?
Virusses >.>
Like 200-300 objects where deleted from my document's.
I assume most of them are drawings...

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Post subject: Re: Kriegsmarine 1946, second approachPosted: September 28th, 2010, 6:15 am
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MitcheLL300 wrote:
Virusses >.> Like 200-300 objects where deleted from my document's.
I assume most of them are drawings...
Get a virus programmer and show him Ebola. :evil:

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Post subject: Bismarck-class Waldersee 1945Posted: September 28th, 2010, 11:11 am
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Due to the delaying of H-class a third Bismarck-class was layed up. The ship featured the same length but a slightly widened (37,60m) hull. 16"-guns were introduced, actual radar but still including the optical directors. Heavy aa-guns are still the 10,5cm-twins. 37mm are now succeeded by radar-guided 5,5cm-twins. The 5,5s do not feature the later magazinedrums but stackable magazines that need more gunners to feed the guns with ammo. Light aa are mostly 3cm-quads. The coning tower is enlarged to serve the radar-operators. The Waldersee uses the same machinery as her halfsisters, so she reaches 29,5 kn only. Armor is still 360mm at the turrets and max 320 at the belt.
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Post subject: Re: Kriegsmarine 1946, second approachPosted: September 28th, 2010, 11:52 am
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Have simulated these designs in springsharp...would be interesting to see if the work out

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Post subject: Re: Kriegsmarine 1946, second approachPosted: September 28th, 2010, 12:08 pm
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Have simulated these designs in springsharp...would be interesting to see if the work out
Oh yes, I don't know how to work with springsharp, would you do please? I'm very interested about the result!
The 15"-turret weight is 1052 tons the 16"-turret of H-39 shall weight 1475 tons? I can't take that. My Waldersee uses an own turret, slightly lenghtened with not more armor. So I think the weight should be some 1200 tons per turret max.
The added radars plus needed equipment could make another 1000 tons, the enlarged tower might be about 500 tons. The widened hull makes a plus of maybe 1500 tons. That should make 3-4000 tons of additional weight.

edit: I forgot the larger barbettes. So it will be 4000 tons.

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Post subject: aa-cruiser Panther, another CLG of the Kriegsmarine-Tiger-clPosted: September 29th, 2010, 1:41 pm
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A second ship of the Tiger-class was buildt as CLG, too but with a prime role as aa-cruiser. It introduced the SAM 'Taifun' to the Kriegsmarine. The Taifun is an evolved version of the 'Wasserfall'-missile with wirecontrol plus avionics by Kramer. The small units are "Foehn'-aa-missile-launchers. It features a 20-shot of unguided 50cm-missiles with a range of 2 km. Some more 30mm-quads are installed and some older british directors for them.
In reality, the 'Taifun' is my creation, the 'Foehn'-device was a real existing weapon but unsuccessful.
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Post subject: Re: Kriegsmarine 1946, second approachPosted: September 29th, 2010, 1:56 pm
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Wirecontrolled missile in a spot with wires going over the place?

Are you mad? :P
Or can you explain me it isnt like that?

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Post subject: oops!Posted: September 29th, 2010, 2:07 pm
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Wirecontrolled missile in a spot with wires going over the place? Are you mad? :P Or can you explain me it isnt like that?
:oops: Uah, dumb me. Radiocontrolled, of course.

The Kramer X4 missile was really a wirecontrolled AAM. The tech crossed with an early SAM like Wasserfall should make a good naval SAM for medium ranges. Next time...

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Post subject: Re: Kriegsmarine 1946, second approachPosted: September 29th, 2010, 5:07 pm
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Ashley wrote:
Psilander wrote:
Have simulated these designs in springsharp...would be interesting to see if the work out
Oh yes, I don't know how to work with springsharp, would you do please? I'm very interested about the result!
The 15"-turret weight is 1052 tons the 16"-turret of H-39 shall weight 1475 tons? I can't take that. My Waldersee uses an own turret, slightly lenghtened with not more armor. So I think the weight should be some 1200 tons per turret max.
The added radars plus needed equipment could make another 1000 tons, the enlarged tower might be about 500 tons. The widened hull makes a plus of maybe 1500 tons. That should make 3-4000 tons of additional weight.

edit: I forgot the larger barbettes. So it will be 4000 tons.
Ok...
I need her dimensions (length, beam, draught, freeboard, bulges?), displacement (or block coefficent), top speed, range, cruisning speed, full arnament(caliber and numbers, type mount) and armour thickness(ends, belt, deck, bulkheads), misc. weights such as radars, aircraft..and I will have a go.

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Post subject: Re: Kriegsmarine 1946, second approachPosted: September 29th, 2010, 7:24 pm
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A dual 16'' H39 class turret with the barrels in it?
Weight's 1,582 metric tons

A dual 14.96'' Bismarck/O project class turret weight's only 1.052 metric tons.

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